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Postby spazzacamino » 16 Feb 2012, 17:10

The oldest name mentiond is Kemmerswerth (1275). And around (1400): Kemswert, (1510): Kymsuard
16 century maps mostly spell Kymswert, the Frisian 16 century spelling is Kymsert.
In the 17 century its mostly Kimswert, and ever since the 18 century Kimswerd.

The second part of the name is werth (origional from the verb warjan which means turn/twist, and is used for fences made of willow branches) this name warjan later evolved to worth,wurthi,werth and later wierde (Terp)
You can find these names across villages in England, Fryslân, Groningen and Germany.

The first part of the name is Kim, Particle of a name (man) which ment: camp/battle (ps: camp also ment battle not campsite) (pps: very normal those days to call an area by the nature around it or
by the name of the founder or an importent person)

This is a fact and suits the story of Greate Pier just fine
reference: Friese Plaatsnamen written by Karel F. Gildemacher

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Re: Facts

Postby USSGreatePier » 16 Feb 2012, 18:52

Funny how names keep changing so much before literacy kicks in with the general public...

Good post, interesting :)

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Re: Facts

Postby spazzacamino » 16 Feb 2012, 20:33

The first time Arum is mentioned is from (1275) The wrote Aldenem. The Variant Arum is since (1466)
In the early 15 century you'll find Aeldrum en later Alderum
A form like Althaarum, like mentioned in (1505) is based on a wrong spelling.
Many maps from the 16 century spell Alt Arum. A Frisian map from (1595) has Arom

The second part: um is a commen short writing for hiem/heem and later heim (heim was written by germanic monks, as it means the same). Today hiem still covers the same meaning in Frisian language (land ownership/yard) (ps a hiem could be an entire field with sometimes up to 3-4 wierdes/terps)

The first bit is also a name, something like: Alder meaning Nobel (ps a name with the meaning nobel is varied:Alder, Ate, Atse while something like: Anne and ark means Eagle, and Ame heroic)
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Re: Facts

Postby spazzacamino » 16 Feb 2012, 20:42

Lets have a little quiz, try and guess witch villages i mean using the oldest known name (around Kimswert)


1182: Herlinge
1270: Lollingum
1275: Wimelinghe
1275: Witmarsum (...eeuh skip this one)
1399: Pinningen
10 century: Maggenheim
11 century: Bodliswert
14 century: Echtlum

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Re: Facts

Postby spazzacamino » 16 Feb 2012, 21:25

Before the Frisian language like we know it today, it took an language evolution

500-800 (anglofrisian) 1100-1575 (oldfrisian) 1575-2012 (midfrisian/frisian/newfrisian)

So in the time of Greate Pier Old Frisian was still commen here some Old Frisian words

bām beam boom tree
brād breed breed broad
ga gea
āk/ēk iik eik oak
jeld jild geld money
grêne grien groen green
bēre hûs huis house
zîse tsiis kaas cheese
mer mear/mar meer lake
mûth mûle mond mouth
riucht rjocht/rjucht recht strait
ber slyk slijk mud
slāt sleat sloot ditch

first is old frisian
then frisian today
then dutch today
then english today

Old germanic and old english are very similar to old frisian but i havent
got books about them and i dont want to speculate using wiki's

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Re: Facts

Postby USSGreatePier » 16 Feb 2012, 23:54

spazzacamino wrote:based on a misspeling.


Oh, this is just epic :) One for future history books...

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Re: Facts

Postby spazzacamino » 17 Feb 2012, 09:23

ij trij two right goed inglies, eim sorrie AssGreatePier hahah

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Re: Facts

Postby USSGreatePier » 17 Feb 2012, 14:48

spazzacamino wrote:AssGreatePier hahah


lol!

No worries, I won't mep you foar the mûth :P

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Re: Facts

Postby Remco » 28 Feb 2012, 18:08

Old Frisian boggles my mind, would be cool if we can add some of that to the game, but will be difficult to get accurate ...

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